Kelsey (00:01)
Welcome back to the Working Enneagram YouTube channel where we talk about the enneagram in the context of work. Our goal here is that you would walk away from today's conversation saying, I learned something about myself I didn't know before, or I learned something about another type, maybe the enneagram one that I didn't know before. And if you can say yes to one or both of those things, then our time together has been very successful.
I am so excited about today's episode, not just because we're talking about ones and I'm a one, but because the two guests we have on the show have become very near and dear to me. In the past year, I got the privilege to work with them through a company called TreeMain Solutions. So we'll get to hear a little bit more about that. But we are talking all things communication style for the one. So Adrienne, Will, thank you so much for joining me.
Adrienne (00:54)
Thank you, glad to be here.
Will Morris (00:55)
Thanks for having us.
Kelsey (00:56)
Absolutely. ⁓
Will, I'm going to start with you. Tell me a little bit about your role at Tremend Solutions and what you're enjoying right now.
Will Morris (01:07)
Sure, ⁓ I am the Operations Director at Treeman Solutions. ⁓ What that looks like for me is ⁓ cross market alignment. ⁓ We work all over the state and so getting folks to be on the same page and drive operational excellence, ⁓ corporate strategy execution, ⁓ business process improvements, those are the kinds of things that
I'm responsible for and also enjoy.
Kelsey (01:38)
Yeah, I love that so much because you said so many things that I feel like already fit the type one, that improvement and excellence. So that's awesome. Thanks, Will. Adrian, how about you? Tell me about your role and what are you enjoying?
Adrienne (01:52)
Yeah, so my role is market development director. so basically what that includes is really just overall growth strategy for the company. So business development, ⁓ market, you know, kind of overall marketing, market development, right? Like kind of making sure we've got everything aligned and together and branding looks the same as well as CRM management. So making sure that we're all on the same page with
who we're talking to, what we're doing, what our processes are with how we handle our clients, both new ⁓ and existing. doing that statewide, right, throughout the organization. So trying to align all of those things across the state, ⁓ train everyone to kind of use those processes and systems and. ⁓
I'm, you know, I think what I'm enjoying right now, I I love client relations, but I really love the overall strategy right behind the company and really looking at like, hey, how, what can we do? What things can we put in place to really grow and get to the vision that we have? And so it's, it's been really fun this year to kind of transition into that position and see, be a part of that strategy.
Kelsey (03:06)
Yeah, I love that. That's wonderful. Again, I hear a lot of the one, their strategy, how can we improve maintaining consistency? And you want a one in that role to maintain the consistency because they'll do a good job. So that's awesome. Yeah. You're doing a good job. I can tell you. Will, how do you know that you're a type one?
Adrienne (03:18)
Yeah, we'll see. But we're trying.
Will Morris (03:23)
you
⁓ this may be the most type one response, but I took a test. The results were type one. ⁓ other than that, you know, examining all the different types. When I had taken the test, I w I hadn't been previously exposed to the Enneagram concept. So it was all new to me. ⁓ I had taken other personality type exams, but it wasn't familiar with this exact structure. So I was curious and I looked at, you know, all the different
parts of the different types and which parts of those I resonated with. And I felt like, ⁓ that part of that seems like me. Part of that doesn't seem like me. ⁓ And so while I feel like I kind of can take parts from several different types, I think the one that most aligns with how I view myself would probably be the type one.
Kelsey (04:18)
Yeah, that's well said. I think it's good to hear too that you will resonate with aspects of all types, but there is one main type that you come back to that fits a little bit more than the others. That's well said. Thanks Will. Adrienne, how about you? How do you know you're type one?
Adrienne (04:33)
because I will unload the dishwasher and reload it again to make it work better and more efficient. So it's it's so funny because I remember, you know, taking the test and it came back as a one and I was a little like,
Kelsey (04:43)
Yes.
Adrienne (04:55)
But reading about it, and I remember either you, Kelsey, said it, or it was in one of the books or things that you shared, and I was like, yes, I will unload and reload the dishwasher. I am a ⁓ one. I'm always, not more so, but around the house, I'm definitely trying to instruct the kids and instruct my husband on like, no, that's not the right tool. No, you need to use this because this is what's gonna, always looking for, ⁓
trying to get the most out of what you're using and why. ⁓ It comes across very critical at times and that's not at all how I mean it, but it's like the more I've learned, it's like, that's just who I am, right? It's just, it's what I do and it's in a servant, like there is a servant heart behind it, at least for me. I describe myself as a people pleasing perfectionist, which is really,
Kelsey (05:53)
I love the alliteration
of that.
Adrienne (05:55)
It's a really one-two punch, right? Because it's like, ⁓ know, trying to make everybody happy but doing it in the most perfect, most right way. So it's, I wanted to deny, I wanted to say, no, no, I'm a two. I know I'm a two. I think that comes from being a mom and giving and all of that, but I'm definitely a dominant one, you know?
Kelsey (06:05)
completely.
Adrienne (06:21)
I think out of all of them, like Will said, there are different parts that I resonate with, but the dominance is shown in the.
Kelsey (06:28)
Yes, absolutely. I think what you said about instructing your kids bleeds into this next question so well, which is your communication style as one. usually it's described as we'd like to be accurate when we communicate. We try to be precise. We try to mean what we say. And at times it can be a little critical. I heard you say a little bit about that. ⁓ Maybe a little preachy, maybe a little teachy, but always well-intended. So Adrienne, what would you add?
to that communication style for one.
Adrienne (07:00)
goodness. You know, I think you're exactly right. I think it can come across very much like I'm trying to instruct, right? And that maybe it may even sound closed off as if I don't think there's any other way. ⁓
But that's not the case because I do know that there are other ways and I would love for you to explain that and justify that to me, right? But when I'm communicating, am, especially too, I think it depends on ⁓ maybe where I'm at, what mood I'm in, right? Like if I'm more stressed, I'm gonna just be more to the point and it's gonna sound very much like I am. ⁓
a drill sergeant. And then if I'm a little more laid back, like I'm going to, it's going to be a little more ⁓ diplomatic, you know, and just like, Hey, have you thought about, think it might work better if, you know, what do you, you know, it's, very much those kinds of things, but it is very instructional, very teaching. I like to call it developing, right? I'm just trying to help develop you into the best that we can all be.
So, yes, you should actually thank me, not become frustrated because you think I'm just trying to tell you what to do all the time. So a lot of, you know, I think it can come across very controlling. I think I know I've felt mislabeled at times, right? Like, you're just controlling. It's not that I'm trying to control. I'm just trying to help things move along in a better way. So.
Kelsey (08:13)
Yeah, you're welcome for that. You're welcome. Yeah.
Yeah,
absolutely. That's perfectly said. Will, do you agree? What else would you add?
Will Morris (08:49)
I definitely agree with accurate and precise ⁓ and critical as well. I certainly think that maybe those that are closest to me would probably say that sometimes I can be somewhat of an intense communicator when there's something that is important and has critical pieces of information. And so it's, you know, I really focus on specific details. And I think I also
try to be concise. Maybe that's a word too that I would describe myself as how do I, how do I convey this information with the least number of words that are the most accurate words to minimize any chance of misunderstanding like concise, precise, definitely a little bit critical sometimes.
Kelsey (09:39)
Yeah, I think for ones it's very common that we are most critical ⁓ first of ourselves and then it kind of bleeds out to others. Do y'all find that to be true?
Adrienne (09:51)
⁓ considering I was driving home from an event last night and I was mulling over an email that I had sent to an internal employee and going, why did I say it that way? I bet he thinks this. I wish I could go back and redo it. Do I send an apology? I, you know, like literally still thinking about it this morning, right? ⁓ So I am highly critical.
Kelsey (10:14)
Yes.
Adrienne (10:17)
And I do try to put a lot of thought and intention into what I say when I say how I say it. How are they going to take this? Are they really going to understand what I'm trying to convey and the heart behind what I'm trying to convey? Why do I care so much? ⁓ you know, it's just you go through the whole loop, right? Or at least I do. So I think definitely critical of of how I'm handling things, critical of what I'm saying, of what I'm doing first and foremost before it's like
you know, so much critical of someone else. It's more that inner critical side.
Kelsey (10:52)
Yeah, Will, what do you think?
Will Morris (10:55)
I'm certainly critical of myself to the point where if something doesn't meet my standards or I'm not, don't feel like I have the idea fully formed or that I need more detail, I'll hesitate to communicate something or to put something out that I don't feel 100 % confident in. So I'm certainly critical, hyper critical of myself and have been pretty much my whole life. ⁓
And then in terms of outwardly facing, certainly there, I can see in myself that there are parts of me that pick up on when I, when I disagree with something, it's like, well, hold on, let me, let me pick that apart. Let me, let me identify that piece that I'm not understanding or that I don't agree with. And let's push through and find out why either I disagree or I'm wrong or whatever it is. ⁓ it's definitely not something that.
I can just kind of brush away and go, oh well, I'll worry about that later. I don't worry about that too much. It's like, no, I gotta figure out why.
Adrienne (12:01)
Thank
Kelsey (12:02)
I think the why is very important to us as ones. If we think that there is a right way to do something and we have that tendency, and usually we are right, there is a really good way of doing that. If there's somebody else that has a different perspective or has a different approach, we are open to it as long as we agree that it's also good and it makes sense. Do y'all see that?
Adrienne (12:25)
Mm-hmm.
Very much so, I see it. I think I had mentioned something earlier, like, just because this is the way I think it needs to go doesn't mean it's right, but you might need to justify to me why you think your way is right. it's just to gain understanding and to be open to the idea that there is a different way, but I do need to mentally be able to grasp that and go.
⁓ okay, yeah, I do see how that makes sense. Let's move forward or that sounds like a great plan. ⁓ So I'm, you know, not closed off, but it is, I always feel like, ⁓ well, I feel like with a lot of things, I want to understand the why, because then it makes sense, like it clicks inside my brain, right at that point. So.
Kelsey (13:17)
Well,
but it's what you add to that.
Will Morris (13:20)
For me, the why is certainly important. I think I spend time focusing on the why so that I can maximize the potential and the positive outcome. So for me, I think I focus a little bit more on the other side of the why. And the why is kind of like a way, a means for me to get to an improvement, whatever that be. It's like a pattern, a habit. ⁓
a process that can be improved. think that's why I focus so much in my professional life on process improvement is ⁓ I really get a lot of energy and motivation in finding a better way to do something or improving something and observing, okay, we started out here and then we moved to faster, more efficient, more effective, whatever that may be. ⁓ And I think I see why as a critical component.
to being able to complete the task of improving something.
Kelsey (14:19)
Absolutely, absolutely. I have to say, I don't think I was always open to other people's ideas. I think that's definitely been a maturity thing before, before I knew the Enneagram probably. If somebody came to me with a different idea that even if it was better than mine, I would be like, no, you're an idiot. My idea is the best.
Will Morris (14:40)
I certainly think I'm rigid in some ways, right? ⁓ That's something that I think goes hand in hand with being a one is that there are certain things that I, if I have a conviction about or that I'm certain that, hey, no, I've collected a lot of data on this and I've analyzed the situation from a thousand angles and I'm pretty certain that I know what the answer to this one is. Sometimes that can make me rigid or immovable. ⁓
where I should be probably more flexible. ⁓ So something to watch out for.
Kelsey (15:12)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's well said. That's good. I heard from both of y'all that you're very thoughtful in the way that you communicate. And Adrian, you said, I will think about how do I want to say this and maybe even overthink a little bit. And then Will, you said, I will pause and think about what I'm going to say. I think that's a huge strength personally. I think that's a really phenomenal attribute that ones can have.
But I'm curious to hear from you, Will, go first for me. What other strengths do you feel like you have when it comes to communicating?
Will Morris (15:46)
Hmm. I think one of the things that I've had to work at, maybe it didn't come naturally, but I feel like is a major strength of mine is being able to keep a little bit more of an open mind on perspective and gather multiple perspectives, but ultimately try to use those to inform and formulate my own position on something. ⁓
But I think when I communicate with people staying open to supporting them and supporting their perspectives and giving them the space and the opportunity to communicate the way that they want and the information that they want to give to me while not letting it guide my perspective on it. It's kind of like, I'll stay open. I'll hear what you have to say. I want to support you. But at the end of the day, I'm going to take that in and use that to
you know, dissect and figure out what pieces of what they said are most important to what I'm trying to understand or get at. So I feel like I'm generally a pretty supportive person when I communicate with folks, at least verbally. ⁓ However, when I get into like written kind of communication, I'm certainly, think, more direct and concise and to the point, but a little more open ended in verbal conversation. So that's a strength for me.
Kelsey (17:12)
Yeah, absolutely. Do you feel like the written communication, the directness is also a strength? Because I can see that as being very efficient. So that's my thought on that.
Will Morris (17:23)
Sometimes I think I think it can be in that it I try to be as clear as I can to minimize misunderstanding But also sometimes I lose detail in that right sometimes there are additional details that I may leave off that are important to other people but weren't part of kind of my Overall thought process on here are the bare minimum details that are necessary to convey this information. So
It can be a hindrance when additional detail is needed. It's that feels like a bit like pulling teeth to me is to just keep adding detail and make it longer and more wordy. ⁓ I don't like that, but sometimes it's necessary.
Kelsey (18:07)
Yeah, that's well set. Beautiful. Adrienne, what about you?
Adrienne (18:12)
Can you repeat the question real quick so I can make sure I answer it correctly?
Kelsey (18:17)
Absolutely, yes. When it comes
to communication, what do you think you do really, really well?
Adrienne (18:27)
you know, I think being concise and trying to just get to get to the point, right.
But also, you I don't know if this is just me personally or and my style of being a one, right? ⁓ Versus being a one, but I'm always trying to consider, especially if I know the person, who am I talking to? How best are they going to be able to ⁓ take in the information that I'm trying to give them? ⁓ So I do try and think about the recipient, right? Especially if it's written. ⁓
A lot of times I just I try to be very concise and I my important points I try to either bullet them out or you know, just not have it get lost in a lot of detail. I love detail. I really do because I think there's a lot of good information and good things in the details. However, I think you can really lose focus and sight if you're if that becomes too much, right? If you have too much detail. So
You know, I think with a lot of things that I do and a lot of things that I'm involved in now with the company, it's like trying to hold the focus of what is the big picture, trying to see several steps down the road ⁓ and how do I communicate to make sure that, well, how do I communicate those things, right? ⁓ And show that like, I know we're here.
but we have all these other things and I've already thought them through and so here we go, right? Like let's have a really good plan. So I don't know if that answers the question exactly, but just trying to be concise, trying to be considerate of who I'm talking to and how things may fall on them and in what best way I feel like they're going to receive the information. Those are all the thoughts within the communications that I do.
Kelsey (20:30)
Beautiful,
beautiful. I love that you said you take into account who you're talking to. And I think that's the beauty of the Enneagram is knowing your number is helpful, but knowing their number is also helpful because I know if I'm talking to an eight, they appreciate the directness and I don't have to sugarcoat something. I can just say it like it is and that works. But if I'm talking to a two, I'm gonna ask how your weekend was because there's more of a relational component there that they value.
So I love that you said that. think that's, thank you for bringing that up.
Adrienne (21:04)
Yeah. Well,
I mean, it's been the most helpful thing of having our company work with you, right? Because it's like, okay. I know when I'm communicating with this person that they're, you know, because I do, I take that into account. I remember that it helps me build internal relationships better. And just knowing how to communicate best with them. it's a great consideration for me.
Kelsey (21:29)
Well said.
Absolutely. I love that. We've touched on this a little bit, but I want to dig a little bit deeper too. So the best parts of us are also the worst parts of us. And the fact that we are direct communicators by nature can sometimes come across as abrupt. So I know typically for once that's an area of improvement that maybe we might have, but Will, what else would you add to an area that you might?
want to improve on when it comes to communication.
Will Morris (22:02)
say that Adrian's strength is my weakness. ⁓ when I'm convinced that, okay, I've got the answer, it's time to deliver that, I'm sure that it's correct. ⁓ Certainly, sometimes that can come off as a little abrupt, like you said, ⁓ and being able to consider the specific audience and not just
who I think they are, but what from their perspective, what friction points, what kind of things that may be important to them that aren't as important to me in considering those things.
Those are things that I've tried to work on and continue to work on. And hey, it's great to have, be surrounded by people that compliment your skill set, you know? And so hopefully you get a little bit of that rubbed off on me because it's hard always when you're like, you know, here's the task, execute the task, understand the why. Now we just need to communicate that. ⁓ Sometimes people need a little bit more than that.
And certain people might need ⁓ more of an explanation or more of an emotional support of, I know this is going to be hard, change is hard, this may impact you negatively. And so being able to work through those steps with people while I'm communicating with them based on what they need and what's important to them, ⁓ that's an area I can improve on.
Kelsey (23:42)
beautifully said, I could also improve on that myself. Adrian, how about you?
Will Morris (23:46)
We all can. Two degrees.
Adrienne (23:50)
my gosh, I mean, I'm a one. There's always room for improvement, right? And more so for me than anything else.
You know, I try and work really hard, like in my personal life of just letting certain things go and just, there's this saying that, I don't know, maybe it's a Southern saying that I grew up with and you can delete this if you want to, but ⁓ there's more than one way to skin a cat. ⁓ And I literally have to say that.
in my personal life a lot, right? Because it's like, just because I think this is the best way and it is the best way because it's my way and that's the right way. It doesn't mean that the job's still not gonna get done. It just may not get done in the most efficient manner that I would prefer to get done in. And so I really have had to work and I'm continuing, I'm a work in progress on just letting some things go and not, you know, not feeling like.
even if I know my way is the right way, not implying that on everyone, right? That can come across, right? Again, very controlling. ⁓ And sometimes it's just unnecessary things to worry about that I just really don't need to worry about at the end of the day, right? It's not that big of a deal. ⁓ The job will get done. Just it might not look like the way I want it to. ⁓ You know, so I think there's that... ⁓
Kelsey (25:00)
Yes.
Adrienne (25:26)
I'm trying to think, feel like there was something else I was gonna say. But you know, just, I have a tendency to get on my soapbox and I know it when I do it. It's just very hard to stop myself at times. So, you know, kind of working on that. But when I have strong convictions about something, like I voice it, right? When I've researched something and I hear...
my friends or colleagues talking about it is all I can do to stop myself to not just share like my thoughts and my feelings and all my research and the why that I think, know, certain things should be this way. it's like, sometimes you just have to bite your tongue, right? And not always every situation is not meant for me to improve. So that's kind of what I'm trying to work on, right? Like I don't have to die on every hill.
there are some hills not worth dying on. And so that's always in question and in limbo verse in personal life as well as in work life, know, like what fight do I really want to fight today? Cause I could fight them all.
Kelsey (26:32)
Yes, I.
was just about to say
that. like, I'll fight them all, every single one. I'll die on every single hill.
Adrienne (26:41)
Yeah, yeah, and I'll be right every time.
⁓
Will Morris (26:45)
speaks to me
so much. I feel that. It's such a deep level of, I don't have to die on this hill, but I could because I'm right about it.
Adrienne (26:48)
You
Okay.
you
Kelsey (26:56)
Yeah.
Okay. So teaching and preaching a little bit, helping people work through their problems. And I think giving our advice is huge at times. ⁓ I don't like to receive that in return. If somebody starts telling me how to live my life, I'm like, excuse me, I already know how to live my life. So don't you dare, which brings me to my next question of how do you prefer people communicate to you? ⁓ Adrian, would you go first this time?
Adrienne (27:25)
I will. So this is interesting for me because I really think maybe it's because I'm a female. I don't know. I really think it's very dependent on what mood I'm in. If I am stressed out and I'm just trying to get tasks checked off my to-do list, I don't want all your details. I don't want the full story. Like I just want you to get to the point. Tell me what you need. ⁓
If it's something I've done wrong, if it's something that we need to discuss, if it's decisions to be made, let's just get on with it, right? But then there's times where maybe I'm in a slower pace, I'm a little more relaxed, and I want to talk through things. I want to play devil's advocate with you. I really want the details and the full conversation, right? ⁓ So for me, it's very dependent upon what mood I'm in. ⁓
you know, I would say maybe in the work life, ⁓ give me enough of the details, right? Or give me enough of the story that I can then start to ask you questions so that I can kind of start framing up and really getting to the root of maybe what's going on or what problem we're trying to solve or process we're trying to put in place or, you know, strategy, right? Like, but...
I definitely like to stay focused and I like for people to stay focused. I do not like to be in a conversation where someone's trying to communicate with me and then we're chasing rabbits. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's bring it back. Let's bring it back, right? So I like to stay on topic. ⁓
With that said, I'd probably do the same thing and bring in other ideas. But I just like to stay kind of focused. And so when there's not a lot of focus, it feels like a waste of time, which is a frustrating point for me.
Kelsey (29:27)
Yes, all the brainstormers out there are like, this is great and we're dying inside.
Adrienne (29:32)
Emily, can you write that down and we'll get to that later? Back to what we were talking about, you know? Let's start here first and then we'll move down the road. ⁓ So, you know, a system, a plan, right? Like, is it too much to ask?
Kelsey (29:47)
It is in fact not too much to ask. All right, Will, what would you add?
Will Morris (29:54)
No fluff, I would say almost entirely. Sometimes there are times where, like I've said, if I need to dig a little bit deeper to understand the why or like pieces aren't connecting and I feel like there's something missing, then I'll kind of get into that a little bit more. But I think for the most part, I'm a no fluff kind of guy. And I think that looking back now, it makes sense why.
I struggled historically with things like creative writing. That's something that I've really struggled. I love to read. I really struggle with creative writing. I'm pretty comfortable with technical writing because it's straight to the point. Here are the steps. Here's what you do. It's very linear, but something that requires elaboration and fluff, my brain just doesn't work like that. So it's struggle for me to receive that because it feels like
Adrienne (30:33)
Okay.
Will Morris (30:50)
getting overloaded with information of like, where are the details that really matter? Where are we going with this? I don't really understand the path and the why and what you're trying to communicate to me when there's a lot of extra for me perceived to be extra for me. So I would prefer most of the time, the the facts and the action and the really important details to be front loaded so I can understand.
okay, what is it we're talking about? Why does it matter? And then after that, sort of can get into kind of more of the fluff and the details. But for me, it kind of drives me crazy when I get getting all the fluff up front. I'm like, get to the punchline. What are we talking about?
Kelsey (31:35)
Yes, because then we have to dig through the extraneous information and we're like, what really matters here? ⁓ Just help me out straight, direct. Yeah, absolutely. That's great. One thing I'm curious about with you guys is that ones have told me before that ⁓ affirmation is something that they appreciate, but they don't necessarily always believe. So somebody who says something good about me, I'm like, thank you, because it helps negate that inner critic that's always pointing out the things we're doing wrong.
but also we kind of don't believe you. Does that ring true for you guys too?
Adrienne (32:11)
It does for me for sure. There's times when I don't think and I've often wondered is was it something in my upbringing or you know what but now that I've kind of you know understand more about the enneagram I think maybe it's just ingrained in me. I almost don't know what to do when someone compliments or gives me an affirmation. I'm like ⁓
I mean, I'm very appreciative of it. I do want to know that I'm doing a good job, right? So I think I would pose a question, which is, well, how best does someone tell a one that they're doing a good job, right? Because I always go, okay, well, yeah, like, thanks. Well, was thanks the right thing to say there? I don't quite know what to do with this, right? ⁓ And then sometimes I even question like, did they really mean that?
Like really do they think I'm doing a good job because somewhere inside I'm thinking, no see I could have done that better. Like there's a better way to have done that. I'm not doing the best. Like I never feel like I've reached the point of yes, I did it. Right. And I did that. I killed that. Like that was great. Right. ⁓ And so I think maybe that's why it's hard for me to take those affirmations and those compliments because I just.
I want them, but then I don't know what to do with them. And then I question the validity of them.
Kelsey (33:36)
100%. Yeah, well, what
about you?
Will Morris (33:41)
I definitely feel that affirmations for me are less impactful than negative feedback. For me, negative feedback is certainly, it holds more weight. I think about it, I dwell on it. It certainly has much more of an impact on me than affirmations have. And I have seen myself sometimes
getting the thank you or good job and going, really, that's it? That's all?
Or do you even really appreciate what I did? You know, I can, I can see that in myself sometimes for sure of, um, thanks, but that wasn't good enough for me. So, but I don't know. I'm not sure that I know what is good enough for me in terms of a positive affirmation. Um, so yeah.
Adrienne (34:22)
Thank
Yeah, well, I have to say like that's that's absolutely it sometimes right is where it's like after all of that all the effort that I put into that's that's all I get like wait what like I think I have higher expectations and standards but again I don't quite know what they are at the same time so and yeah if I can concur the negative feedback like
I would probably rather hear nothing, no affirmation, no anything than negative feedback because it will just, it like gives validity to that inner critic, all right? It validates everything that I'm kicking myself for.
Kelsey (35:14)
Yeah, my friend Suzanne says it's giving yourself a double whooping because you got it from the inner critic and then you get it from somebody else. yeah. My friend Anthony, who's a one mentioned he really appreciated affirmation he got because it came in the form of how his work impacted somebody. So it wasn't a you did a good job or great job or thank you. was Anthony, you preach the sermon.
Adrienne (35:22)
That's so true.
Kelsey (35:42)
and it impacted my life in the way that I now father my kids. And I am so thankful for that. Would that be better received for you guys? Do you think you would believe that?
Will Morris (35:57)
You know, I haven't really thought about it from that perspective before. I guess I'm not used to receiving it in that kind of way. So it would be kind of new for me. But I can see how, since the why is important to me, I can see how maybe that might be more effective in terms of me receiving and understanding and not kind of brushing off as, oh, that was a pleasantry.
If you explain it to me, maybe that would be more impactful. Interesting for me to think about. I haven't really thought about that much.
Adrienne (36:38)
It brings me to think about, I did some other like testing at one point, ⁓ and we got into core motivations and one of my personal core motivations was making an impact. And so I've never really thought about it like that, but you know, part of what I aim to do is to influence and impact, people.
what processes, what we do, right? Fill in the blank. ⁓ And so that's a very interesting thought is that if the affirmation came with the way in which I did impact someone's life or impact the business or impact, you know, whatever it may be, it may feel more genuine ⁓ and speak to what motivates me personally, right? It's just kind of
leaving that legacy, right? That influence, that having that impact. So that's an interesting thought. I need to sit with that as well and kind of marry it up to other things that I know about myself.
Will Morris (37:52)
I to hit on something that you said, Adrian, which was the word legacy. That's definitely something that I feel ⁓ maybe a bit more than impact for me personally. I want to impact things positively. Yeah, there's something, I don't know if it's getting older, having kids, maturing, you know, just that legacy component of it is certainly something that I hear that.
Kelsey (37:52)
Go ahead.
Adrienne (37:58)
Mm-hmm.
Kelsey (38:21)
I am going to tell Mark to just throw out some affirmation that has a little bit more direct impact and just see, we'll just do a social experiment here and see if it works. We've mentioned in communication style for us, we tend to be more direct, we can be a little critical. And for me, I want people to know that it's coming from a really good place.
Will Morris (38:31)
Thanks.
Kelsey (38:50)
What do you want other people to know about the way that you communicate, Will?
Will Morris (39:01)
I think. ⁓
I think I want people to know that I want to support them and I want to not waste their time. I want to support them in the way that makes them more successful, makes us as a team more successful, and that I don't want to be a burden. I think that that's kind of my communication style is direct and concise and to the point and doesn't have all the extra stuff. And so sometimes if someone feels like,
You missed this, what about this? Did you think about that? I think for me, I would want people to know, I'm not trying to be a burden, I'm trying to get the critical information to you as cleanly as possible so that you can move on with your day, not waste time, not have to play the game of telephone. ⁓ And so I think that that would be the most important thing for people to understand about why I am the way I am.
Kelsey (39:59)
Beautifully
said. Yeah, Adrian, how about you?
Adrienne (40:03)
Yeah, you know, I mean, I think for me, it's just that anything I say does come from a really good place and was very well thought out. And it's not ever intended to be condescending or critical or, you know, anything like that. And that really, in all the things that I'm doing, I'm doing my best to support you in the best way I know how, or in the best way we can figure out how.
right? But it comes with support, comes with thought, comes with intention, it comes with care, just care and compassion. like, you know, again, kind of like what Will said, like, I'm trying to be thoughtful of your time and what's on your plate and take all of these things into consideration. ⁓ But it's like, I just want people to know, like, I've got your back, I'm here to support you, I'm in no way trying to be mean spirited or
or critical of you. I'm trying to just make things better.
Kelsey (41:05)
Yeah, perfectly said. That's great. OK, I want to end on a high note here. So Adrian, what do you like best about being a type one?
Adrienne (41:16)
I'm always right.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding. ⁓ you know, I wrestle with this one. ⁓
And again, I think this does go back to being a type one, but ⁓ I think because I'm always thinking, because I'm always looking for the best way, ⁓ risk assessing, like all of that, like I've got you, I've got you not right now, I've got you 10 steps down the road, just trust me, right? And I do love that feeling and I do love that, you know.
⁓ It's just something that's ingrained in me that I just, can't stop it even if I want to, right? ⁓ So it's kind of a, it's a double-edged sword, right? Like sometimes I wish I could stop it. So I know we're supposed to be ending on a high note and it is, it is all good. It's just, you know, there are times when I'm like, you know, I wish I could just go to this place and not see all the things that could be better, right? I really wish I could just like put those glasses on and be like, ⁓ yeah, this is great.
you know, ⁓ in a working situation, I really do like being a one because I do feel like, you know, I like the thought process that happens inside here a lot of times. Sometimes it's on overdraft, but ⁓ it's like I got you. I understand this and I'm ready to go, right? And so, ⁓ and I'm generally right. So.
You can trust that, right? It's just ingrained. I can't help it. I'm totally kidding. I say that with all humility possible because Lord knows I am not always right, but it's it's kind of become a joke in my house now.
Kelsey (42:58)
Exactly.
Amazing.
I love that. That's so well said. So well said. Thank you. Will, what about you? What do you like most or best about being a type one?
Adrienne (43:11)
Thanks.
Will Morris (43:20)
Well, we're number one, right? That's important. Not number two, not number three. Podium finishes don't matter. Number one. Yeah. But really the thing is that I think being a type one has made me independent and self-sufficient. And I think that
Adrienne (43:22)
Yes.
You're not first, you're last. ⁓
Will Morris (43:49)
There are a lot of ways that that can be valuable to you in life. And I think that there is no shortage of puzzles or problems or things that can be solved or improved in life and work. And so there is no shortage of things that feed me, that make me, ⁓ what's the word I'm looking for, fulfilled. ⁓
There's constantly going to be opportunities for me to do what I love doing, ⁓ which is solving a problem, making something better, figuring something out. ⁓ Those are the kinds of things that really engage me and I don't see there being an end to that. So I'll always have something to focus on improving. ⁓ I think that having that positive outlook, ⁓ I think will help me.
long term to not be overwhelmed by the amount of things and just say, there's, can't solve them all in one day, but get to do it again tomorrow. So. ⁓
Kelsey (44:57)
Yeah,
yeah. There is purpose because there's always something tomorrow we can fix and improve for sure. That's great. Well, you guys, this has been so fun. Y'all were incredible. You did such a good job of being vulnerable and sharing. And I think this has been super insightful. If you're a one, I think people will get a lot out of it. And if you're not, I think people will understand ones so much better because of what you shared.
Will Morris (45:01)
Yeah.
Kelsey (45:25)
Thank you guys, thank you for being on the show. Y'all did a phenomenal job.
Adrienne (45:29)
Thank you.
Will Morris (45:30)
Kelsey.